Monday, December 07, 2009

Still true now

He must be joking

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At 1:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I'm a guy, and consider myself fairly liberal and open minded. I cannot remotely fathom treating a women, or anyone, like that. Reading that account, I found myself thinking that if my wife or daughter told me they were treated that way by someone at work, I would have a very hard time not confronting that person with extreme prejudice (I'm not violent btw, though something like this could make me so). The behavior described is so utterly ridiculous, it made me want to sincerely apologize to you for the treatment received at the hands of other members of my sex. Reprehensible.

At 1:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The joking, as CPP talked about on FSP, is also done to put women in their corners during conversations. HA HA Hardee harhar. Watch the video. I go through this all. the. fucking. time. Phrases such as "are you done now?", "stop interrupting me", "shhhh, you don't have to yell and get angry" send me over the edge, especially after a d00d has been blithering on and on and on. They blither out of insecurity. Men will use ANY WAY POSSIBLE to "top" women, particularly those who threaten them. At least in the video, the audience made a groan letting the asshole know he's an asshole. But sadly, the same audience laughed WITH the asshole too. jc

At 2:35 PM, Blogger daisy mae said...

i am leaving my current lab because my PI and my postdoc continue to sexually harass the women here. after a particular incident in which the postdoc attempted to physically attack me, and in fact DID attack two lab techs (AND the police were called) my PI said he would handle things and to keep my mouth shut.

only through a chance conversation did i find out that my PI did absolutely nothing about anything, and had told everyone to keep their respective mouths shut, did i go to my graduate coordinator.

who is planning on bringing down the full fury onto my PI once i am safely sequestered in another lab.

some things are expected as a woman in science - and some are outright wrong.

At 9:42 AM, Blogger Ms.PhD said...

Anon 1:07,

Thanks. It's funny how most of the time when these things happen, nobody is around to witness it. It's like a nightmare you can't wake up from.

I have a small glimmer of hope this week: one of my labmates was being a jerk in front of another labmate who typically worships him. The look on her face made me think maybe, just maybe, she had a moment of realization. That nobody deserves to be treated that way. That maybe he's not such a god after wall.

Anon 1:49,

WOW. I didn't think it was bad (have I been a YFS too long?) until he told her to calm down. I fucking HATE that phrase.

But this is sooooo typical, and really pretty tame compared to some of the shit I get on a daily basis in my own lab, and from my own advisor.

Could go on with more specific examples, but I will stop there. ARGH.

daisy mae,

I am SO sorry to hear about this.

But I am really glad that your graduate coordinator might actually follow through and do the right thing. And I hope your new lab works out, and that you don't lose too much time because of this.

hang in there. and feel free to email me at yfsblog at gmail.

At 2:37 PM, Blogger Kea said...

Yeah, I just saw that great post! Sums it all up really, except that the publishing situation these days won't save my ass.

At 2:44 PM, Blogger Kea said...

Yes, a case of the 'no witnesses' nightmare ... I must have thousands of anecdotes of that kind.

But for me, these are not as creepy as the 'group discussion' put downs, where some young untalented DooD gives himself the credit for one of my ideas, and all the guys nod and pat him on the back.


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