Saturday, August 29, 2009

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Data: an example of widespread cultural assumptions about women and PhDs

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At 6:41 PM, Blogger SoonToBePostdoc said...

I don’t see why what we are called should be an issue! I wouldn’t care what my students called me (might as well be a bitch), as long as they got their shit down (that is, what was taught to them). I don’t care how a letter is addressed to me, as long as I get the point of that letter. Why are we so particular about our degrees?

It is true that the general public doesn’t know how much effort goes into a PhD. But whose fault is that? Who is ultimately responsible for educating the public? We are. No saint out there is going to tell the general public that we are underpaid, stressed out all the time, plain miserable being scientists, while working for the better of other people…etc. So, where all those expectations are coming from, I wonder?

And the issue of women in science? I apologize, but unless someone actually pointed out to me that there was such an issue, I myself would not have any idea of such a thing (and I have been a single mother during college and in grad school). Come on! If my paper is rejected, then it probably sucks. That would be my first guess. Before blaiming all the societal prejudices, I would actually look at my work and decide whether there is something I can do to make it better. I don’t know, but all the complaints just seem a little strange to me.
The real issue of women in science, however, is the fast that there are no subsidized daycares or schools nearby, where postdocs , PI’s, or students could drop their kids, and check on them throughout the day. Or, something nicer than a toilet stall to pump the milk for breastfeeding. That is a real issue why women leave science, not feeling unwelcome or whatever stuff people come up with. And again, who is going to raise that issue with the university or research center administration? If you are a creative thinker, and feel that science is what you want to do, I don’t see any other obstacles in your way. Fight for your rights, raise the complaints, go all the way to get what you want. It is much more difficult than complaining about your name prefix being misrepresented, but is much more useful and rewarding!

 
At 6:51 PM, Blogger SoonToBePostdoc said...

I don’t see why what we are called should be an issue! I wouldn’t care what my students called me (might as well be a bitch), as long as they got their shit down (that is, what was taught to them). I don’t care how a letter is addressed to me, as long as I get the point of that letter. Why are we so particular about our degrees?

It is true that the general public doesn’t’ t know how much effort goes into a PhD. But whose fault is that? Who is ultimately responsible for educating the public? We are. No saint out there is going to tell the general public that we are underpaid, stressed out all the time, plain miserable being scientists, while working for the better of other people…etc. So, where all those expectations are coming from, I wonder?

And the issue of women in science? I apologize, but unless someone actually pointed out to me that there was such an issue, I myself would not have any idea of such a thing (and I have been a single mother during college and in grad school). Come on! If my paper is rejected, then it probably sucks. That would be my first guess. Before blaiming all the societal prejudices, I would actually look at my work and decide whether there is something I can do to make it better. I don’t know, but all the complaints just seem a little strange to me.
The real issue of women in science, however, is the fact that there are no subsidized daycares or schools nearby, where postdocs , PI’s, or students could drop their kids, and check on them throughout the day. Or, something nicer than a toilet stall to pump the milk for breastfeeding. That is a real issue why women leave science, not feeling unwelcome or whatever stuff people come up with. And again, who is going to raise that issue with the university or research center administration? If you are a creative thinker, and feel that science is what you want to do, I don’t see any other obstacles in your way. Fight for your rights, raise the complaints, go all the way to get what you want. It is much more difficult than complaining about your name prefix being misrepresented, but is much more useful and rewarding!

 

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